Answering A Skeptic: PART 2- From Ezra to Hitler and beyond!

And he says: "But it gets worse!

According to him that is! He begins to use NOT scripture but commentaries on the Torah and arguments not proven as fact to make the Jews look bad. Not a very good argument at best and anti-Semitic in its worst form since Hitler wasn't in his right mind in the first place!

Ezra the Scribe

HERE IS THE TRUTH ABOUT EZRA, NOTHING LIKE THIS NONSENSE!

 

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111905/jewish/Ezra-the-Scribe.htm

Led the return to Israel in 3413 (348 BCE)

http://www.ezra.mobi/2010/01/life-of-ezra.html#comment-form

The order in which Ezra took the various measures attributed to him is uncertain. He probably presented the Law to the people during the Feast of Tabernacles in the autumn, most likely in the year of his arrival.

He also took action against mixed marriages and succeeded in persuading the people to divorce their foreign wives voluntarily. His efforts reached their climax when the people engaged in solemn covenant before God to enter into no more mixed marriages, to refrain from work on the Sabbath, to levy on themselves an annual tax for the support of the Temple, regularly to present their tithes and offerings, and otherwise to comply with the demands of the Law.

NOTHING HE DID WAS IN ANY WAY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT GOD WOULD HAVE HIM DO

"Judaism has known for “thousands” of years that Ezra rewrote Torah and Jeremiah was telling the people that the scriptures were corrupted, Jeremiah chapter 7 & 8. So poor Marcion was on the ball when he said there was something wrong with the god of the Jews."

The scriptures were corrupted but not in any way as this Atheist intimates it was, God from the beginning wanted His people of whatever people groups they were to be SEPARATE from people's who did not serve God, that is the simple idea herein mutilated by nonsensical conclusions!

Ezra was a priest of God who was under great pressure to reinstate the Jewish way of worship in a time when his people were scattered in another land in subjection to a people who hated their God and worshiped many gods, so to accuse him this way flies in the face of reason.  If anyone was guilty of this it was the opponents of Ezra not Ezra himself.

"Ezra created god in his own image. In the image of a racist, Zionist, blood thirsty MONSTER, created he god.

Racism was invented by the Jewish Priest Ezra!"

This racist nonsense is straight from Hitlers warped mind, not Ezra but this argument about scripture taken entirely out of its context and reformed into this hate filled understanding of Gods prophet and his motives in saying certain things to his people is really taking it to far even for an Atheist!

"You don’t believe me?

Mein Kampf is the German version of the Book of Ezra. "

There is literally NO MENTION of this statement on the internet except a few atheists and this person BOB the Atheist, so it is obvious there is no proof of this overstated concept......it is the Bob doctrine alone and deserves no other response but the historical rather than the hysterical record of an Atheist!

Here is an interesting article about this book from the Jewish Encyclopedia: Especially the section on the SUPPOSED fabrications in this book!

http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5968-ezra-book-of

http://www.tektonics.org/af/divforce.html
 

"In his Edict to the returned Jews from Babylon he stated:"

 

Please note here: Ezra was a scribe as well as a hereditary priest. As a scribe he was trained as all before him, in the minutiae of religious law and was qualified to translate and interpret those laws. Remember Jews were taught from early on to absolutely memorize the scriptures, so Ezra being a preist of God and a Scribe would not have been one to misquote God lightly if at all.

"Not only did Ezra demand that the foreign wives of Jewish men be cast off, he demanded that all the children of such marriages be sent away.

His edict was multi-generational. Children, grandchildren and great grandchildren were to be cast off, never again to see their families. And wives, who had been with.  their husbands only a few years, as well as those who had spent a lifetime with their mates, must also be sent away. No one whose blood was contaminated with non-Jewish blood could stay."

As you can see this Atheist is overplaying the sympathy card here on purpose, obviously in order to use the emotional element of this idea to sway his audience in favor of what he's saying!

But using this form of tactic is not right sinse he was not there to witness it first hand and the text he's referring to doesn't mention any of this happening at all, so it's simply made up emotional happening from his mind. It's fair to say that his argument is EMOTIONALLY based and not logically based!

HERE'S A GREAT ARTICLE EXPLAINING IN BETTER DETAIL WHY.

http://jbq.jewishbible.org/assets/Uploads/402/jbq_402_wolakfinal.pdf

It must be completely understood that to be Jewish was multiracial by nature, many different people groups made up the Jewish people throughout their history as well as now, Jewishness ISN'T BASED UPON SKIN COLOR BUT RELIGOUS DEVOTION AND OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW, so to state that it was unusual for God to require separation from unbelieving people is simply absurd and stupid.

There is no contradiction in Ezra only a misunderstanding and accusation from an Atheist LOOKING for such contradictions. It is possible to find contradiction in any given text if seen in a wrong spirit or ignorance so the point he is making is lost amid the true understanding!

He further states:

 

"The policy instituted by Ezra was more severe and contradicted the Deuteronomic Law which said: “You shall not detest an Edomite… you shall not detest an Egyptian…The sons of the third generation who are born to them enter the assembly of the Lord.” Deuteronomy. 23:8

 

 

I THOUGHT I MIGHT TAKE THE liberty OF PASTING THIS ENTIRE worthy ARTICLE TO CLEAR UP THIS ATHEISTIC MESS once and for all!

 

Did Ezra the Scribe Tamper with the Law of Moses?

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/ezratamp.htm

 

In Deuteronomy 16:2 it says, "Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the Passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and of the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there."    Yet in Exodus 12:5 it says, "Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats."   Says one writer, the reason for this difference is that Ezra the scribe re-wrote Moses' words in Deuteronomy 16, and changed the Law.   What is the truth?

Is there a contradiction between Exodus 12:5 and Deuteronomy 16:2?

 

Why does Exodus plainly tell us the Passover had to be a kid or a lamb, but Deuteronomy says even an animal from the 'herd" -- a bullock -- can be sacrificed? What gives? Why does Deuteronomy say "of the herd"? 
 

This used to puzzle me. At one time I thought that perhaps the reference to the "herd" might have referred to a "herd of goats." Obviously, goats don't "flock" together like sheep do -- they are too independent. But we do speak of a "herd of goats."

 

 

However, in studying Ezekiel's description of the millennial Temple of YEHOVAH God, I discovered another answer to the enigma.

In Ezekiel 45:21 we read, "In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten." During these seven days of Passover, YEHOVAH God commanded various "Passover" sacrifices to be offered at the Temple, or sanctuary.

 

On the first day of the feast, two young bullocks and one ram and seven lambs were to be offered for a burnt offering to the LORD (YEHOVAH) (Numbers 28:16-19). These would be the "Passover" offerings, and fell on the first high holy day, when the Passover was to be eaten. They included two bullocks.

 

These sacrifices on Passover would fulfill the commandment in Deuteronomy 16:2 about the sacrifices "of the herd," which were to be made on the Passover. However, as the commandment in Exodus plainly states, the Passover sacrifice itself had to be a young sheep or goat of the first year, unblemished. Obviously Deuteronomy 16:2 is discussing a different sacrifice than the regular Passover lamb! 

 

 

Another answer to this question, however, has also come to light. In studying in preparation for the Passover this year, I ran across a reference to Deuteronomy 16:2 which cleared up the whole problem. I discovered that the "Passover" sacrifice mentioned in Deuteronomy 16:2 could also refer to a special offering which often accompanied the Passover lamb itself, when it was sacrificed on Nisan 14. In The Secrets of the Haggadah: A Commentary on the Passover Haggadah, by M. Glazerson, we read the following:

"When the Pesach Sacrifice is offered, a Peace Offering is offered with it on the fourteenth day of the month, either from the bullocks or the sheep, large or small, male or female. This is called the 'Chagigah of the Fourteenth.' Of it, the Torah states: 'And you shall bring the Pesach as an offering of a meal to Hashem, your God; from the flock and the herd...' (Devarim 16:2). Scripture did not make this mandatory, but optional...

"When is the Chagigah brought together with the Pesach Sacrifice? They are offered together only in a state of ritual purity on weekdays when the Paschal lamb is too small for all those eating. It may be eaten for two days and one night. It is governed by the same regulations as all Peace Offerings...." (p.25).

One writer has claimed that the verse in Deuteronomy 16:2 refers to the Passover lamb itself, and that Ezra the scribe, who lived about one thousand years after Moses, changed the text and rewrote the words of Moses, adding the words "of the herd," and the entire commandment that the Passover lambs had to be killed at the "place where God put His Name," and not within their own gates or homes. 

 

 

This idea would mean that Ezra, a faithful and true servant of YEHOVAH God, tampered with the Word of YEHOVAH God, and deliberately altered Holy Scripture -- a nonsensical and foolish idea, if I ever heard of one! Ezra would never tamper with Scripture. "For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach in Israel statutes and judgments" (Ezra 7:10).

 

 

He was "Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel" (verse 11). Ezra was a very righteous and godly man, and would never have tampered with or altered the meaning or the text of the books of Moses. 

 

 

However, for a supposed man of YEHOVAH God to claim that Ezra changed the writings of Moses, and altered inspired Scripture (II Tim.3:16), changing its meaning, is tantamount to calling Ezra a heathen, pagan, and calling YEHOVAH a "liar" who didn't really preserve His Word as truly "inspired." 

 

 

The truth is, YEHOVAH God Almighty inspired Moses when He gave him the Law -- the Torah. This includes Deuteronomy, chapter 16. Ezra did not change Scripture. It has been our understanding of the Scripture which has been lacking.

 

 

The Jewish book Secrets of the Haggidah clears up this mystery of the usage of the word "herd" in Deuteronomy 16, as it applies the the Passover. It is a reference to the Chagigah "peace offering," which could accompany the Passover sacrifice itself! 

 

 

This is an example of how we must be very careful lest we leap to wrong conclusions when studying the Bible. As the apostle Paul wrote, we must -- "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth" (II Timothy 2:15).

 

In our effort to "Prove all things" (I Thessalonians 5:21), we must be very careful that we are not led astray by ministers and teachers who lack true understanding and who use the word of YEHOVAH God to deceive, delude, and seduce YEHOVAH's people into the way of error. As Solomon wrote so vividly, "There is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death" (Proverb 14:12).

 

 

Truly we must be very careful, and not accept at face value the ramblings and musings and mutterings of modern day ministers and "false teachers" who misunderstand, misteach, and misuse the Word of YEHOVAH God to their own advantage and purposes.

 

There are many ministers out in the world -- wolves in sheep's clothing -- who teach absurdity and folly for profit. And far too many have been suckered in by their vain words of arrogance and pretense.

 

-- Edited By John D. Keyser.

Later he made this statement of overreach concerning Ezra which was an attempt to use emotion to piss off Christians and prolong the argument. This would usually stop any sane response and cause the argument to go south into emotion where he would dismantle his opponents.

But history being what it is there is an answer that is satisfactory in regards to this question and it doesn't lead down a rabbit hole! 

"Racism was invented by the Jewish Priest Ezra!"

 

 

http://alltheusefulidiots.blogspot.com/p/destroying-race-card-with-truth.html

OK, let's first get a reality check here, the bible doesn't even teach RACE like we see it today (GO TO THE LINK ABOVE FOR THE TRUTH!), skin color had NOTHING to do with this. Jews are of MANY DIFFERENT skin colors around the world JUST Christians are.

Many people used to think of first-century Judaism as a monolithic block, a solidly unified religion, from which Christianity split off as a new religion.  In contrast, we now know that there were many different sub-groups within ancient Judaism, and that the early "Jesus Movement" was just one of many different Jewish groups.  Moreover, the separation of Christianity from Judaism was not sudden, but happened gradually over several generations.

 

 Traditionally the Jews are classified as of the Black people of the middle east but you can be a Jew and be of any people because its about obedience to the Laws of God not our immature beliefs about Race mixing.

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Jews.aspx#2

http://www.jewishfederations.org/black-jews.aspx

 

The Bible speaks of Nations OF PEOPLE not Races of color among people groups, and its a simple concept really because there is ONLY ONE RACE that God cares about "The Human Race" and that race must obey his rules or perish because of their OWN CHOICE to do so.

 

These Jews had knowingly disobeyed God and his clear warnings about intermarriage NOT WITH COLORED GROUPS among the people but with with idolatrous people of ANY COLOR whatever the reason for doing so, it was SIN to allow OTHER GODS into their midst and it would block God's abundance from them, in fact that was the reason they were in the problem of being dispersed in the first place.

"Ezra & Hitler are in total agreement

“it was against the will of the Eternal Creator. . .Nations that make mongrels of their people or allow their people to be turned into mongrels sin against the Will of Eternal Providence.”

Mein Kampf, p. 186 . . . p.162"

This is clearly a case of "Grand ideas" with SMALL minds, Hitler was no more a Christian than the Atheist who quoted him. This is the common problem with those who understand NOTHING of truth and even less about comparing apples to oranges.

Hitler was only masquerading as a Catholic, he was in fact nothing but a bitter Jew who hated his own faith so deeply that it resulted in 6 million deaths of innocent people not counting the millions of innocent people killed defending the world from him.

So please..... don't compare sending people away from Judah INSTEAD OF STONING THEM AS MOSES WOULD HAVE DONE, to murdering millions for the simple idea of RACISM when the whole idea was invented by men in order to enslave weaker people groups!

The mixed people spoken of here are the IDOL WORSHIPPING and by extension God hating heathen, no matter what they said THEY WOULD DO the decades of disobedience had taken its toll upon the people and their ability to obey God.

They were sorry they got caught as we all are when exposed and will try anything to avoid capture. Their reactions were simple "Fight or Flight" reactions not true repentance and turning from their idolatry.

The thing to learn here is clearly not what this Atheist took from the story, that REPENTENCE must be genuine or it is rejected by a Holy God. The results could have been MUCH worse for them had the Law been used to the fullest extent of its jurisdiction here.

Sending them into exile was being merciful compared to stoning them for idolatry but the full law wasn't in place yet because EZRA WAS IN THE MIDST OF SETTING IT UP THERE. So let us learn that God is merciful and kind when he deals with those who deserve the full punishment of the law!

 

 

 

 

My Debate with an Atheist on Sodahead- PART 3

MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

"prove this god exists without any biblical references or any writings by others! 

go ahead. i will be waiting.

and again with the insults from a fake minister."

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MY RESPONSE:

You don't understand the Laws of evidence do you?

You cannot prove something spiritual to a NON spiritual mind, What I can do is present proof from existing evidences in nature and history that his existence is indeed possible, the rest is based upon 'knowledgeable understanding' through faith as it should be. YOU REFUSE TO SEE IT SO HOW IS THAT MY FAULT EXACTLY?

Atheists created an impossible idea and called it PROOF, because they know the same thing, proof is in the eyes of the beholder and anything can be denied so all you have to do is deny everything without explanation and the Christian is left with nothing!

The truth though is the opposite, the PROOF is there and ABSOLUTE, it never changes, it never goes away, its your understanding of it that changes and morphs not the evidence of God. You simply change the rules of interpretation of the evidence to suite you any time it gets close...BUT ITS STILL THERE NONETHELESS!

The ONLY reason the Bible bothers Atheists is because the witness to truth cannot be refuted, therefore its easier to eliminate the evidence than to deal with it. They would rather take their chances with the secondary proof....Nature, History, and Science because they can confuse the ignorant and create skepticism.

It is you who must PROVE HE DOESN'T EXIST since the evidence from smallest to greatest indicates he is indeed possible! I will be waiting as I have for over 30 years now!

We know that we exist because . We are irrefutable evidence that intelligent life exists in the universe, give or take a few of us.

So, is it really that much of a stretch to think that there might be intelligent life capable of creating a universe with form, structure and physical laws that always seem to remain constant? Just as its not a stretch to think that a Car that's designed might just have a designer.

The fact that we live in a universe with reliable physical laws is a bit ironic, don't you think? Considering that many scientists believe the universe evolved by random processes that had no intelligence of their own.

How could INTELLIGENCE come from nothing colliding with nothing over millions of years? Life comes from life, that's simple science but you think that life came from non-life...who's got more faith? Me or you?

To prove the existence of a higher power, we can begin by assuming there is no higher power.

What kind of universe would we have?

A random one, of course. Everything would happen without a purpose.

Nothing could be predicted; nothing could be relied on.

Mathematics and science would have no value because nothing could be reliably measured or have regularity, that's what random means and without God everything in life if life could finally come together right would be a mixed up puzzle WITHOUT A SET PURPOSE.

A belief that there are NO ABSOLUTES only leads to disorder [Chaos] not order therefore Evolution cannot be true simply because absolutes are not allowed, the universe is FINE TUNED and even its chaotic elements obey certain order. LAWS are proof absolutes exist, evolution obeys PHYSICAL LAWS so it must have absolutes to function though it denies them outright!

And please, stop with the nonsense about insults, you OF ALL PEOPLE cannot talk, you trample peoples beliefs and feelings with each response here and then cry when your told your ignorant about something, that only means you don't know as much as you think you know, NOT that your stupid or dumb! I stated before that you ARE smarter than your acting on here, I know that's true!

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

the only reason the big book of fairytales bothers us is because the believers think its true and throw it in our faces as fact all the time!

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MY RESPONSE:

We do what? I didn't know you existed before you opened YOUR TEXT to insult my beliefs, so I guess I can use that same excuse on why I find Atheism repulsive?

Your religion is just as bad as all religion so stop pretending to be pure apart from religion, your in the same 'UNHOLY BED' with the hypocrites you hate!

ITS THE LAW OF THE LAND, if you deny it, well how can you, you have become your enemy....now what?

Court rules atheism a religion
Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate’s right to start study group.

http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31...

Atheism Is Protected As a Religion, says Court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/603...


HERE'S GREAT PROOF THAT ITS A RELIGION:
http://debunkingatheists.blog...

I know, I know, you have heard it all before.

I read a blog post that spelled it out pretty well, enough to re post it. Kevin Childs is a DJ at The Rock (Rockc3.com) and he did a post discussing how Atheists belong to a religion.

We, as rational individuals, all know its true except the atheists themselves. When, and only when, they understand that they indeed belong to a religion, then we can get down as to who holds the most accurate and truthful religion out there.

For Atheists to attempt to claim "neutrality", in reference to God, is a complete cop out and disingenuous intellectually. They have indeed picked a side. They choose their religion based on what they believe is evidential to their presuppositions.

Denying what they believe, and hold as truth, may be an easier pill for them to swallow but they are only attempting to deceive themselves.

Childs makes the case:

Atheism is a religion.

Atheism IS a religion. I know that some have made that statement without much evidence. And I know that atheists themselves heatedly deny it.

I’ve heard their rejoinders: If atheism is a religion, then not playing baseball is a sport. Or, atheism is to religion what bald is to hair color. Clever. I guess I don’t blame them for denying it, but denying something doesn’t prove it is not there. (I would advise any atheist readers to re-read the previous sentence until BOTH meanings sink in.)


A religion doesn’t have to posit a god who must be identified or worshiped. Some religions are polytheistic (Hinduism, Mormonism), some monotheistic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), some non-theistic (Buddhism). I’d say the new atheists and their religion are “anti-theistic.” But their atheism is religious nonetheless.

Consider this:

They have their own worldview.

Materialism (the view that the material world is all there is) is the lens through which atheists view the world. Far from being the open-minded, follow-the-evidence-wherever thinkers they claim to be, they interpret all data ONLY within the very narrow worldview of materialism. They are like a guy wearing dark sunglasses who chides all others for thinking the sun is out.


They have their own orthodoxy.

Orthodoxy is a set of beliefs acceptable to a faith community. Just as there are orthodox Christian beliefs, there is an atheist orthodoxy as well. In brief, it is that EVERYTHING can be explained as the product of unintentional, undirected, purposeless evolution. No truth claim is acceptable if it cannot be subjected to scientific scrutiny.


They have their own brand of apostasy.

Apostasy is to abandon one’s former religious faith. Antony Flew was for many years one of the world’s most prominent atheists. And then he did the unthinkable: he changed his mind. You can imagine the response of the “open-minded, tolerant” New Atheist movement. Flew was vilified.

Richard Dawkins accused Flew of “tergiversation.” It’s a fancy word for apostasy. By their own admission, then, Flew abandoned their “faith.”

They have their own prophets:

Nietzsche, Russell, Feuerbach, Lenin, Marx.


They have their own messiah:

He is, of course, Charles Darwin. Darwin – in their view – drove the definitive stake through the heart of theism by providing a comprehensive explanation of life that never needs God as a cause or explanation. Daniel Dennett has even written a book seeking to define religious faith itself as merely an evolutionary development.


They have their own preachers and evangelists.

And boy, are they “evangelistic.” Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens (Speaking of which, our prayers goes out to Christopher Hitchens in hopes of a speedy recovery for his cancer, we need more time with him Lord) are NOT out to ask that atheism be given respect. They are seeking converts. They are preaching a “gospel” calling for the end of theism.

They have faith. That’s right, faith.

They would have you believe the opposite. Their writings ridicule faith, condemn faith. Harris’s book is called The End of Faith. But theirs is a faith-based enterprise. The existence of God cannot be proven or dis-proven.

To deny it takes faith. Evolution has no explanation for why our universe is orderly, predictable, measurable. In fact (atheistic) evolutionary theory has no rational explanation for why there is such a thing as rational explanation.

There is no accounting for the things they hope you won’t ask:

Why do we have self-awareness?

What makes us conscious?

From what source is there a universal sense of right and wrong?

They just take such unexplained things by … faith.

There are days when evil and suffering are hard to explain, even for the most ardent follower of God. There are questions we cannot answer. There are days when every honest Christian will admit doubt. But we don’t become atheists. It is because our soul JUST KNOWS that God is there. And maybe because atheism is a religion that requires too much untenable faith.

Not only is Atheism a religion, the entire premise is a negative proof fallacy.

bit.ly/AtheistReligion

I posted this [With Credit to the Author] to prove to others that your as phony as any hypocrite you've accused because its really sickening how much contradiction there is in your postings.

You see after becoming a Christian after being Atheistic in thought for years, I used to live and let live UNTIL a group of hit and run Atheists wouldn't let well enough alone on the insulting and moronic comments THEN I decided from that moment on never to let ignorance rule a conversation. I, like most people get SICK of the crappy presentations by those who hate God!

What should bother you is that pic you used looks exactly like every Dr. of Atheism I've ever heard speak along with quite a few dumb religious leaders as well, and that's a lot! Atheism and Religion without relationship offers us nothing in return for our souls, nice trade off!

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

"the fact that you think atheism, no belief in a god, is a religion proves once again how ignorant you are.

we don't think about proving anything or care about a god. so again you lose."

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MY RESPONSE:

You TALK BIG but present little proof of ANYTHING, ITS YOUR MENTAL PICTURE OF LIFE AND NOTHING MORE.

I proved it was and is a RELIGION LOGICALLY its not MY BELIEF its the facts presented, but instead of proving it you insult me and my Lord? A religion doesn't have to believe in a god at all as was stated, you DO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING, Evolution, Survival of the fittest, Mother earth and the Universe are your god because you exalt them as I would God. THAT'S A BELIEF SYSTEM PLAIN AND SIMPLE!



It is impossible to prove that there is no God. Don't believe me? Let's take a look at the nature of the statement, "God does not exist."

Back up for just a minute and think about the difference between positive and negative statements of fact. The difference can be illustrated by a simple example. Suppose there are 10,000 clovers in a field. Person A declares, "There is a four-leaf clover in that field," while Person B objects, "There are no four-leaf clovers in that field." Now, how many clovers does each person have to observe and know about in order to be certain that they are correct?

Since Person A must find only one single four-leaf clover in order to be correct, in theory he could prove his statement after observing only one clover, provided that it had four leaves on it. But Person B, in order to know for a fact that she is right, has a lot of work to do! That's because until all 10,000 clovers have been inspected, there would still be the possibility that among the clovers which remained "unknown" to her was one which boasted a fourth leaf. She could never be certain that she was right until she knew everything there was to know about that field and the clovers it contained.

The same principle holds for statements such as, "There is a God," and "There is no God," only this time on a cosmic scale. In order to prove the claim, "There is no God in the universe," one would have to know everything there is to know about the universe. As long as some body of knowledge remains unknown to anyone making that statement, there will always be the possibility that sufficient evidence for the existence of God is out there, despite the individual's ignorance of it.

And since no one can seriously claim to know everything, anyone who is honest will admit that they can never prove there isn't a God. One Christian author put it this way: "Somewhere, in the vast knowledge you haven't yet discovered, there could be enough evidence to prove that God does exist. . . . If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, 'Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God.'"**

It is the word "believe" in the above quotation which brings us to the assertion made in the title of this article: "Atheism is a faith-based belief system." To be an atheist, you have to have to rely on belief, not factual knowledge. You could never amass enough knowledge to prove the nonexistence of God, so you must place your faith in the improvable assumption that there is no God. My Christian brothers and sisters, do not ever let an atheist deride you on the basis of your faith in God (as if "faith" were a dirty word!), because atheism is no stranger to the concept of faith, either. Ask your atheist friends what it would take for them to accept God's existence. Then pray that the Lord will open their spiritual eyes to see the beauty and glory of Jesus Christ, as well as the depravity and hopelessness of their current situation, guilty as they are of sin against a holy and just God. May the Lord grant repentance to those who are strangers to His mercy and grace!

**Quotation taken from Ray Comfort's book, God Doesn't Believe in Atheists (1993), pp. 14-15.

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

"you do realize that your fanaticism is BORING?????? or maybe you don't."

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MY RESPONSE:

Hey! I gave you a way out a long while back......STOP ANSWERING ME AND I'LL NOT ANSWER BACK. It can't be all that boring to you or you'd have blocked me a long time ago? Right?

Guess that lack of real knowledge is getting you down? Don't feel bad we're all in that boat together, the Atheist just spends their time in the boat ALONE BY CHOICE!

If you desire to talk I'm here if not STOP ANSWERING ME, its that simple....no compulsion on my part!


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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

"the lack of knowledge is all yours. since this is my poll,why don't you stop answering me? you are the guest,and they definitely stink after 3 days."

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 MY RESPONSE:


I will not stop answering until you do, your current poll has NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CONVERSATION!

You'll notice I said plainly that we are ALL in that boat together you simply choose to be alone with your little bit of understanding. I choose to learn more and grow.

BLOCK ME THEN! But know I will not block you, I believe blocking UNLESS FOR PERSONAL HARASSMENT is the Cowardly way out! Anyone is allowed to attack a point made on either side, that's the point of Sodahead in the first place.

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

"wow, a liar too! typical of fanatics,they go on and on after anyone has lost interest. you must have a sad boring little life."

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MY FINAL RESPONSE:

I beg to differ with you, and consider this my last response sense I'm bored with your lack of Interest!

You have no interest?
You can't lose what you never had!, which brings me to the question WHY FIGHT IT IF ITS NOT REAL. There's something real and you can't prove it's not, so it bothers you, get over it you'll never prove God isn't there!



My life is full of Joy because of Christ, and I'm CERTAIN with absolute certainty that he is real. That's something you as an Atheist cannot say about ANYTHING, if you do you have to admit that Absolute truth exists and if it does that it points to an absolute idea in life.

Because you reject the idea of a personal maker you must believe that an impersonal one -- chance -- has determined your reality, that is truly sad and boring!

Either:

1. There are no absolutes that define reality. Everything is relative, and thus there is no actual reality. There is ultimately no authority for deciding if an action is positive or negative; right or wrong.

Or:
2. There are absolutes that define what is real and what is not. Thus, actions can be deemed right or wrong based upon how they measure up against these absolute standards.

Hence, the chance that forms your reality (which by definition has no standard or objective sense) is the only "real" thing in the universe.

Everything is a chance occurrence, including your ability to understand who and what you are talking about!

Your "Meaning" is a fantasy. There is no way to derive a standard of truth that has any authority. Anything goes!

Because I believe that a personal God created all things, I can know:

--I was created for a purpose

--My level of fulfillment in life will be based on how well I accomplish the objectives ("will") of my Creator.

--Some actions are right, while others are wrong. I can discover this difference by learning about the Creator's plan.

--I am accountable to the Creator for my behavior.

Because you believe that "forces" of chance [Evolution] randomness created all things, you can know:

--That nothing is truly knowable, since there is no standard by which to define reality or by which to measure the factual nature of any given idea.

--That no action is any better than another, hence, all actions are meaningless.

--your then life has no value or purpose, because, in a very real sense, it is an accident

--you are not accountable for your behavior, because nothing you do matters.

THIS IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE, BUT ITS WHERE YOUR UNDERSTANDING LEADS YOU. A BORING LITTLE LIFE!

My debate with an Atheist on Sodahead! PART 1

 

The Following is a debate between me and an Atheist on Sodahead .com where I daily debate Atheists and Liberal Progressives. I will leave it as it happened, no spelling corrections! 

It must be stated that this debate started not about God but about Israel and the Palestinians and who's land is who's but she devolved it into a God debate once she revealed she was in fact an Atheist. 

This admission totally threw out her points made against Israel because she was PRETENDING to be an 'Orthodox' styled Jew against Zionism and Israel's incursion!

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AFTER HER INSULTING MY FAITH AND ACCUSING US ALL OF BEING MONEY MAKERS AND OBBUSIVE PEOPLE I RESPONED:

First of all I have a FULL TIME JOB and no church building at all, I make NO MONEY FROM ANY SOURCE but my personal Job, I make NO MONEY at all from my Websites and I hate man made religion of ANY KIND as the Lord does.

HATE TOWARDS YOU? what hate?, if your that PARANOID my friend you haven't a clue and I did hit a nerve otherwise your rhetoric wouldn't have escalated!

I only hate certain ideas with great passion as you do, but never the people who hold them, I stated before that I used to be you, holding the same lame ideas about God and Life until God restored my Life!

HERE'S MY TESTIMONY:
http://hopefromdispair.blogsp...

'A flake and Phony'? So your phony 'Orthodox Jew' RANT TO TO HAVE A GOOD EXCUSE to hate the state of Israel at the beginning was....what? Not hypocritical somehow?

Then you pulled the Atheist hate card out and ranted about that and somehow I'm phony for staying true to myself? Wow your a pure progressive alright, surprised you didn't pull out the RACE CARD yet.

You guys are unreal, you can't debate any topic without denigrating another opinion, I believe YOU are smarter than that and you know it!

I fully intend to INSULT AND TEAR APART STUPID IDEAS AND POLITICAL NONSENSE but not you personally and I would expect the same treatment from others but if its to much to ask, be yourself!

Funny how you always ignore the CONTENT OF MY RESPONSES without ever answering any point and then resort to unimpressive personal attacks....ummmmmm!

Anyway I still say your smarter than you are acting!

Please understand that Not every one who claims Salvation is really a Christian so Atheists cannot use religion to disprove God since God himself HATES ANYTHING MAN MADE OR INVENTED BY A FALSE IDEA! 

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

"i could care less what you have or say you have or have not. you are basically a vampire and feed off of others emotions or money it doesn't matter.its a form of sociopathy . wrong,you demonstrate your hate with all your lame writing. you blame and applaud the murders of innocent people because a book is being used to justify it. you have no empathy or compassion toward fellow humans,not one bit. you and your friend jean salivate over the deaths of innocent people for a stupid book claiming some imaginary god likes the israeli's best. the israeli's are russians. they have pushed aside even the jews who did live in palestine peacefully for centuries with their neighbors.

your content? what to reply to? you boast about this character you worship that began as all gods did as a fertility god as if its the only one allowed because you have been brainwashed .
you belie your religion and your god by your actions toward the palestinians. and your support of a racist ,apartheid state.

really???????????? so you know the mind of this god? what arrogance! so this god,your god hates and HATES anything man made or an idea?????????????? your good and loving and forgiving god HATES???????????????????????? man made and false ideas????? wow if that doesn't take the cake!

so this god that you claim you know its mind and what it wants, hates, HATES, anything man made or false ideas and yet you still exist. and yet your book of fairy tales that is USED to spread more hate and death is okay with this guy???

i feel sorry for you delusional people. you are all suffering from some sort of mental illness because you 1st claim this god is loving etc etc and yet also claim it hates . amazing how it hates the same things you do!

small minded bigots, thats what you believers are and thats all you ever will be. you have no souls. you have no hearts. all you have is arrogance ."

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MY RESPONSE:

If you couldn't care less WHY did you answer me? You Atheists are afraid of truth because it shines a light on your ignorance and sin.....PROVING GOD IS REAL AFTER ALL OTHERWISE YOU'D JUST IGNORE IT ALL!

Nothing in all of creation can shake a life saved and redeemed from sin, not death, torture and certainly not silly ideas unproven and untested. God revealed himself to in a way NO atheist can come close to messing with.

REASON it out for once, IF there's a God, WHY WOULD he think like us, act like us or otherwise be anything like WE THINK he should be?

In order for a REAL GOD to exist he would be NOTHING like our understanding of an Idol god, something we made in OUR IMAGE. The God of scripture is NOTHING like a god we could invent and everything man has formed around HIS TRUTH [THE BIBLE] is not a complete understanding because we are naturally limited in intellect and reasoning.

God is perfect in every way, his Love, his Judgment, his Understanding and his dealings with man BUT SINCE WE ARE IMPERFECT BECAUSE OF SIN our love, Judgment, Understanding and dealings are imperfect, we see everything through darkness, unclear and limited in scope and this why our viewpoints are unimportant to God UNLESS WE ALLOW HIM TO INFLUENCE [THROUGH INSPIRATION] THOSE IDEAS WITH HIS PERFECT WORD bringing us closer to his perfection.

We by ourselves are incapable of knowing him as he should be understood so what makes us think we know anything about WHY he did that thing or this thing?

Every time an Atheist talks it makes my Faith deeper and stronger because it confirms the fact God exists...so thank you my friend for that!

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

" wrong. there is no god and you are self deluded. a vampire for the emotions of others and their pockets. thats all priests ,ministers etc ever were.
blah blah blah!

everytime a huckster for religion spews it makes my knowledge of no god more firmly entrenched. platitudes ,self righteousness,pat self on the back ,are all sickening displays that you perform to make yourself feel good.

a perfect god cannot make an imperfect world unless it is imperfect itself. your god is imperfect as it made sin and then punished you for what it created. since you claim it made ALL things ,it is good and evil. you cannot nit pick. and to judge humans for what it created and that they merely follow is absurd and proves your belief system is twisted and unreal.

the more you immerse yourself in your delusion the farther from reality you go."

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MY RESPONSE:

That's because you are digging the hole to entrench yourself in your own reasoning, but you GAIN NOTHING in fact or proof because you need no evidence.

Let's get honest here YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE of any such thing, there's no evidence of no God even available, if there were there would be no debate, quite the contrary, but you ignore all facts that point to an opposite conclusion. You are guilty of DISHONEST REASONING. If you were even a serious skeptic you would listen to each debate to get both sides opinion and come to an honest conclusion, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF HONESTY!

Because you think or say, and this goes for us both, that you have deeper belief when hearing the other side IS NO EVIDENCE OR PROOF EITHER SIDE IS RIGHT, that only proves self belief or self delusion.

Real evidence is outside personal belief of any kind and cannot be denied flippantly just because you don't believe. To hate on evidence that is contrary to your understanding only digs a hole for your reason you cannot overcome. If you can't answer that evidence with good reasoning you do yourself disservice and only prove your reasoning's are not based in facts.

Atheists in the end are left with no proof whatsoever and wondering if they will ever understand the world, you cannot base reasoning's about God on plain conjecture.

DAWKINS OWED!!!

NO WAY AROUND THIS ONE IF YOUR HONEST!

IF THIS IS A CENTRAL ARGUMENT OF ATHEISM, YOUR IN BIG TROUBLE!

ASSERTIONS THAT ARE JUST NOT TRUE, JUST TO SELL A BOOK, VERY BAD ARGUMENTATION!

WHY IS THE UNIVERSE FINELY TUNED?

SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD!

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

NOTE- she doesn't read, watch or otherwise look at this evidence....TYPICAL!

wrong again. you are doing all the digging. you have not one iota of proof for your active fantasy life. not one bit. you speak of reasoning when you have none??LOL LOL

the deceit has been perpetrated ever since the far past ancestors of humans realized that by invoking the fear of the unknown and using it on the fearful gave them control of others lives. that is the ultimate in dishonesty.
your entire life is based on a "what if". what you think might be but which you are clueless about. you attempt,feebly,to put down those who refuse to be suckered into this absurd belief of a god that is worse than any human can possibly be.

the lack of understanding again is all yours. you are desperate to try to validate your imaginary god by claiming this and that. when in reality the claims are invalid and you have no proof of anything but what you say. 

LMAO!! all your videos are desperately trying to validate your belief system . you cannot. it doesn't matter what anyone says and tries to prove. there is no vengeful god hovering above the earth watching if you are bad or good. waiting to judge you after death. a judgement that is moot anyway since you claim this creature knows all ,sees all and has laid out a plan for everyone from before their births! the character of this creature that you claim exists is at complete odds with the rest of your belief. you twist,you turn,you change what this being is as it suits you. the problem you have is that all you think you know is based on what you want it to be.the evidence is there,humans created god.

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MY RESPONSE:

Talking to you about anything is like arguing with a statue, you say nothing important. You haven't watched one thing above so stop lying to support your ignorance.

My case was always true with or without you, it was for your benefit that you break free from ignorance not mine. You don't know how to debate that's why I put those REAL DEBATERS up for you to learn how but I guess it doesn't matter to you if you look dumb on issues!

Its O.K. everyone with a true heart to understand will get a lot of evidence for God simply because YOU needed so much talking too, so in effect God is now using you to reach others, bet that feels good?

And just so you and others know, NOTHING I've said here has changed one bit [More of your ranting] I unlike you do not need to change my beliefs to fit my current status in life. You have changed dozens of times as we have talked, FROM AN ORTHODOX IMPOSTER, to an Atheist, to an Agnostic, to a psychologist [without training], to a life coach [without a clue] your the one mixing desperate ideas together NOT ME!

Make sense "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." My Faith was placed by God in me so you don't even have the power to convince me otherwise especially since your reasoning is so lame on MOST of the issues, your filled with unjustified hate.

You've been reasoned into a corner and your happy in your lack of knowledge, so why even talk about it if you can't put forth reasonable standards of logic?

Atheists are only in Debate on How 'Pushy to Be' about their reasoning instead of proving anything once and for all, think about this IF THERE WAS NO GOD, NO HEAVEN, NO HELL there would be no debate, instead all you guys do is DEEPEN the debate and further the understanding of God by dumb comments and insults.

If I were to post a RANT of an Atheist superimposed over the RANT of a crazy person locked up would there be any difference?

You insult what isn't there, you talk about what isn't there, you claim you can prove it and then in your psychosis you paint yourself into a corner trying to reason away something that isn't there BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION......this is simple STOP TALKING TO YOURSELF AND REASONING WITH YOURSELF ABOUT A NON-EXISTENT GOD IF THAT'S WHAT YOU BELIEVE THEN DO IT! Ignore those of us who believe, you don't care about human beings or their well-being so stop pretending too.

If you really truly KNOW there is no God, then stop sounding crazy talking to yourself [Because no one is paying attention to your rant] If God still bothers you then your invisible bugs crawling on your skin are a deeper issue than God.

I have given you plain clear presentations of the evidence THAT YOU HAVE CLEARLY NOT READ, NOT WATCHED and thus you have proven yourself an intellectually dishonest person!

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

"you so called case is based on hearsay,story telling and imagination. talking to you is like talking to most propagandists. you lack imagination unless it comes to your imaginary god.

you know less than the ants on the ground. all you want to be isn't no matter how you attempt to paint it. too bad ,so sad. you still lose.

yuor argument has no weight and carries no water because it is based on zero ."

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MY RESPONSE:

How would you know its based on anything since you DON'T LOOK AT, READ, OR WATCH IT? The old 'I know you are but what I defense' is truly pathetic!

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:

"what is truly pathetic is you and your endless claims of knowing something no one knows. now thats a sorry state.

you have been brainwashed ,best to admit it and get a cure."

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MY RESPONSE:

Answer the questions for once, you CANNOT get proof of anything if you won't look, read, or watch! Why won't you admit that you are a happy ignorant Atheist that doesn't care if the other side is true or false, your fake as a debater until you take the facts apart.

Your simply a useful Idiot for Atheism, without facts, without evidence and finally in the end Atheists just use you to waste time...get a clue!

PROVE YOUR CASE instead of insulting mine without having seen the evidence.

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND

NOTE: I'm not allowed to call it as I see it but she can insult away any time she wants?

"such insults from a so called christian! bet that guy in the sky really likes you in your mind!
the ignorance is all yours and always will be. why? because you WANT to think fairy tales are true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO

the bible is a book of hokum ,stories stolen from others who actually lived and did the deeds. not a bunch of goatherders who did nothing of any value but wander from place to place and adopt the stories for their own
the red sea?LOL its marshland and always was.

by the way,no pharoah every died by drowning.LOL"

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MY RESPONSE:

Wow! More ignorance of historical finds, let me educate you a little!

When its true its not an insult unless YOU can't admit it, so your comment is useless. Do you think YOU are the sole person on Soda-Head that plays that game, your not! You have done NOTHING BUT INSULT ME FROM THE BEGINNING even when I agreed with you so don't play innocent or play the victim card!



And as usual you mix History with Hollywood addition which never adds up! If your going to denounce God at least have guts to investigate the evidence with facts instead of hearsay Hollywood movie drama!

They dramatize, they Lie or we start false stories about their movies...can't use movies to prove or disprove history!



Even if one Pharaoh had drowned with his army do really believe that the Great and Mighty empire of Egypt would ever admit it was beat by Goat Herders? PLEASE get a new excuse!

The Red Sea or [Reed Sea] was NOT shallow marshland, that's just silly.

At the place where they crossed it was 100 meters [ That's 100 m = 328.083 ' OR 328 ' and 1.00 ] deep around this are to the south it was 6oo Meters [ Or 600 meters is equivalent to 0.3728227Miles, 600 meters = 600 x 39.37 in = 23,622 inches = 1968.5 feet = .37282196969696 miles figure a meter is about a yard about 2000 yards makes a (nautical) mile so about a third of a mile ] deep!


http://www.goodnews.org.au/ex...

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/re...

http://www.baseinstitute.org/
http://www.ldolphin.org/sinai...

Here are some facts from the History Channel, proving that Historians have placed the Wrong Pharaoh as Moses nemesis as was depicted by Hollywood in the Ten Commandments.

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MY ATHEIST FRIEND:


"there you go again with the insults! it seems thats all you have "good " christian that you clearly are NOT! i don't mix anything . your entire story line however is a fairy tale. there was no moses,by the way thats an egyptian title.


as for crossing the sea of reeds as it is called,there are multiple areas that have land bridges etc and the water level does drop periodically with wind ,just like it does on lake erie.


not to mention the fact that the bible chronology is inaccurate with dates and times. what the hebrews did was take the account of the hyksos being driven out of egypt and twist it to their own ends as they do with just about anything. typical of nomadic people who have no history or culture of their own. they adopt and adapt the events of others to their own ends.


"Ron Wyatt, a colorful and controversial amateur archeologist who claimed to have found Noah's ark, the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, the location of Sodom And Gomorrah, the Tower of Babel, the true site of Mt. Sinai, the true site of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the original stones of the Ten Commandments. He was a passionate and sincere man, according to his supporters, but his critics abound and scientists and archeologists regarded him as an untrained maverick at best and there are some who regarded his as a fraud. Wyatt died from cancer in 1999."


the entire ,LOOK we found wheels proves nothing. the egyptians did use the area for trade you know.

The Egyptians were maticulous record keepers, and they never recorded losing all their Jewish slaves."

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continued next blog..............