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Saturday, February 12, 2011

Part 4 - Skeptical Questions for The Skeptical Mind Answered!!


The question of why hell exists has perplexed many people through the ages BUT WHY?

When the Bible is CLEAR CUT on it’s existence, it’s TORMENT and WHO will be going there!
The question usually goes:
“If God is so good, why would He create a place like hell?” 
This is similar to asking,
 
“If our government is so good, why would it create prisons to put criminals in?”

The answer seems simple enough -
Places like hell and prisons exist because some people will choose to do the wrong thing, and because of that, they need to be punished and kept from the rest of us.

It is fairly easy to understand how this reasoning applies to the existence of prisons, but does it really pertain to hell as well?

BUT think about this question a little more in depth, is it fair to PUNISH SOMEONE FOR LIFE FOR THE SINGLE CRIME OF MURDER or to take away a person’s FREEDOM for 20 or 70 or 100 years to life for RAPE, PEDOPHILIA, or SELLING DRUGS TO OUR CHILDREN?

Think hard about this, because WHAT WE DO IN ALL THESE CASES REFLECT ON HOW WE VIEW WHAT GOD WAS DOING IN CREATING AN ETERNAL PLACE OF TORMENT FOR THE ETERNAL RAMIFICATIONS OF PERSONAL SIN!

Whenever someone asks this question it is a direct ASSAULT AGAINST THE INTEGRITY OF GOD’S JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND HIS PERSONAL INTENT TOWARD MAN, make no mistake about this !
MAN cannot stand INNOCENT OF THIS SAME QUESTION ABOUT HIS OWN “PERSONAL INTENT OF JUSTICE”.

If we are to truly believe that the God who made the heavens & the earth with such complexity and precision and has such LOVE for us that he sent his only son to die for us all, CAN WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT HE CREATED A PLACE LIKE HELL WITH ALL THE ETERNAL TORMENTS?

The answer is YES to all,WHY?

Because ALL who break the Law of God must be incarcerated WHERE THEY WILL BE AT HOME..


PLEASE REALIZE THAT FOR GOD TO ALLOW ANYONE INTO HIS PRESENCE WITHOUT “THE COVERING OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST “WOULD BE ” FAR MORE CRUEL THAN HELL WOULD EVER BE!


Just think about this for a moment, spending ETERNITY WITH SO MUCH CONDEMNATION AND GUILT in God’s holy, perfect paradise of heaven;that’s why we don’t put CRIMINALS ( AS A RULE!) in regular society BUT IN PRISONS WHERE THEY ARE WITH SURROUNDINGS THEY CAN RELATE TO AND RULES TO LIMIT THEIR SIN SO THEY CAN’T HARM US AND OUR CHILDREN!

In the biblical Creation account found in the book of Genesis, no mention is made of a place called hell.
Everything that God made during the time of Creation was good. However, the Bible tells us in Matthew 25:41 that hell was later prepared for “the devil and his angels” (see also Isaiah 14:12).
God did not create hell for man; it was never His intention in the original perfect plan before sin that any man or woman should go to hell.
In 2 Peter 3:9, we learn that God does not want “anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”

What is hell ?

It was Derived from the Saxon word “helan”, meaning to cover over ; hence the covered (HENCE :THE GRAVE) or the invisible place (HENCE: THE PLACE OF THE DISEMBODIED). 
In Scripture there are three words so rendered:-

(1.) Sheol, occurring in the Old Testament sixty-five times. This word sheol is derived from a root-word meaning “to ask,” “demand;” hence insatiableness (Pro_30:15, Pro_30:16).
It is rendered “grave” thirty-one times (Gen_37:35; Gen_42:38; Gen_44:29, Gen_44:31; 1Sa_2:6, etc.).
The Revisers have retained this rendering in the historical books with the original word in the margin, while in the poetical books they have reversed this rule. 
In thirty-one cases in the Authorized Version this word is rendered “hell,” the place of disembodied spirits. 
The inhabitants of sheol are “the congregation of the dead” (Pro_21:16). It is (a) the abode of the wicked (Num_16:33; Job_24:19; Psa_9:17; Psa_31:17, etc.);
(b) of the good (Psa_16:10; Psa_30:3; Psa_49:15; Psa_86:13, etc.). Sheol is described as deep (Job_11:8), dark (Job_10:21, Job_10:22), with bars (Job_17:16). The dead “go down” to it (Num_16:30, Num_16:33; Eze_31:15, Eze_31:16, Eze_31:17).

(2.) The Greek word Hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament. It is a prison (1Pe_3:19), with gates and bars and locks (Mat_16:18; Rev_1:18), and it is downward (Mat_11:23; Luk_10:15).
The righteous and the wicked are separated. The blessed dead are in that part of Hades called paradise (Luk_23:43). They are also said to be in Abraham’s bosom (Luk_16:22).

(3.) Gehenna, in most of its occurrences in the Greek New Testament, designates the place of the lost (Mat_23:33). The fearful nature of their condition there is described in various figurative expressions (Mat_8:12; Mat_13:42; Mat_22:13; Mat_25:30; Luk_16:24, etc.)

Hell is a real place.

We know this from many verses in the Bible, several of them spoken by Jesus, Himself; and we know that the wicked and unrighteous will go there when they die.
So once again, we are back to the main point that God is good, and life in hell is terrible, so why would God create such a place?
Even though hell was initially created to hold Satan and the angels that fell with him, there will also be men and women in hell PUT THERE OUT OF THE STUBBORNNESS OF THEIR OWN WILLS.

God’s perfect justice also demands that there be a hell to punish (Any pain or suffering inflicted on a person for a crime or offense, by the authority to which the offender is subject, either by the constitution of God or of civil society.
The punishment of the faults and offenses of children by the parent, is by virtue of the right of government with which the parent is invested by God himself. 
This species of punishment is chastisement or correction. The punishment of crimes against the laws is inflicted by the supreme power of the state in virtue of the right of government, vested in the prince or legislature.
The right of punishment belongs only to persons clothed with authority.

Divine punishments are doubtless designed to secure obedience to divine laws, and uphold the moral order of created intelligent beings.) the unrepentant and wicked among us.

Walter Martin said about the existence of hell and eternal punishment in his book, The
Kingdom of the Cults,

“They (The Cults) make much to-do about God being Love but forget that because He is Love, He is also Justice and must require infinite vengeance upon anyone who treads underfoot the precious blood of Christ, who is the Lamb slain for lost sinners from the foundation of the world.”
What kind of a loving God would He be if the wicked were never punished? Why would He have sent His Son to die for our sins, if we could reject that redemption and not eventually pay the price? 
What incentive would we have to do good and love God if we knew we could reject His Son and choose to do evil all of our lives and never be punished?
We would not want this lack of justice in the streets of our cities and towns, so why do we expect that God would not punish injustice in the overall universe?

Now a word from the CLUELESS and GODLESS:

The web-site “NO GOD NETWORK Say no to Religion”
( I personally AGREE WITH them about man's false religions!)
…this UGLY STATEMENT WAS MADE TO CHRISTIANS

” I am disgusted that most Christians do not know this.
Twice in the New Testament, as said to be Jesus Christ’s own words, does the Bible clearly and literally state that there is one unforgivable sin that will damn you eternally without any chance of ever experiencing anything after death than eternal suffering.
In the books of Mark and Matthew (as I said in my “Children’s Faith” blog) it is obvious:
“Truly I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: because they say, ‘He has an unclean spirit’.” (Book of Mark 3:28-29)

Jesus speaking:
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” (Book of Matthew 12:30-32)

(NOW,NOTICE HIS RESPONSE TO THIS :)

“This is horrendous. Every single sin, from theft to murder and rape, can, and WILL be forgiven by Jesus, except for denying the Holy Spirit.
That’s right. Go out and kill that b*#*#*d you don’t like across the street. Rape his wife and daughter until they bleed, its okay.
Afterward, just beg Jesus for forgiveness and everything’ll be alright. Oh, but didn’t I mention?
Atheists will be in hell for their blasphemy.
Jesus hates them.
They have unclean spirits and are pure evil.”

( It just amazes me! How do Atheists TAKE IT SO PERSONAL when they read a book they SAY is not true about a God they SAY doesn’t exist who wishes THEM HARM in a place they SAY can’t exist for a time they SAY isn’t real?

If it’s a POINTLESS point they wanted ,they have won the day!
It’s not real go home with your wounded pride and lick your FAKE SORES or you could just be Intellectually HONEST and INTERPRET SCRIPTURE RIGHT FOR ONCE!)

“If you are Christian, then you have no choice but to believe this, or accept that you are an idiot.
This is the New Testament, so you can’t wave it off with that old “It’s just the old Testament” argument. “
( Actually this verse is in the official Old Testament class because the NEW COVENANT BEGINS AT JOHN CHAPTER 20 when the disciples received the Holy Spirit and were BORN AGAIN.)

“And you can’t say it’s out of context. Go read it. And you can’t say it’s a metaphor, because Jesus said it very literally,”

( Funny how Atheists know it’s literal even though it’s not a real “BOOK of God’s Word” isn’t it? They love to use words that put us in a box EXCEPT when those same words PUT THEM IN A BOX,THEN IT’S NOT LITERAL AND ALL OF A SUDDEN PULLED OUT OF THE HAT AGAIN IS METAPHOR!)

“and it’s obvious it is to be taken literally, straight from Jesus’ mouth. So, you have two choices here: ” 
(Your RIGHT SO FAR!)

“One, deny these quotes. That means excusing all credibility to these quotes and passing them off as fiction. 
That would, however, excuse all credibility to Matt and Mark, since you cannot logically believe anything they say without believing everything they say with the same merit, and therefore discrediting Jesus, and the New Testament, and the whole Bible, and therefore your entire religion, proving you to be a moron.”
(Which it would by the way!)

“Two, you could hate all Atheists” 
( Personally I would rather talk to someone who doesn’t believe in God than to waste my time talking to someone who “thinks they know god and really doen’t”)

“and wish them to burn eternally, just like your Holy Father does.”
(THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE, IF IT WERE TRUE WHY SEND JESUS TO REDEEM YOU WHEN YOU WERE ALREADY GOING TO HELL?)

“This would, however, make you a terrible person for believing such hateful terrible things about good people, and therefore proving you to be brainwashed and in denial, since these people do not deserve to be hated, and yet you still insist because of an unproven, ridiculous two-thousand year old book.”

Wow I’m speechless, (ALMOST) that was the SINGLE MOST RIDICULES STATEMENT I’VE EVER ENDURED, BUT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW BECAUSE YOU’VE JUST WITNESSED THE “STRAWMAN THEOLOGY”AT IT’S BEST!

Talk about setting up God to fail with no out..WOW!

Good thing they DON’T KNOW GOD!

What Atheists are trying to do here is NOT TO GET AN ANSWER TO THEIR QUERY!
BUT RATHER TO DUMBFOUND THE BELIEVER WITH “CIRCULAR REASONING”ABOUT GOD’S TRUE INTENTIONS AND GOODNESS AND THUS BREAK THE LEGS OF YOUR FAITH IN HIM.

Now I agree about false RELIGION; IT’S AN EVIL THING TO GOD TO TRY TO REACH HIM APART FROM FAITH,REAL CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A PART OF THIS FAKE WORLD OF MAN MADE RITUALS WHICH GOD ABHORS !
When reading these verses, it is very clear what Jesus was getting at here…whenever ANYONE attributes the work of SATAN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT..not just says it off the top of his or her head, BUT HAS A LEARNED BELIEF FROM DEEP DOWN IN THEIR HEARTS!
This is where these WORDS OF TRUE BLASPHEMY COME FROM;THE HEART NOT THE HEAD!

When this “INNER BELIEF” MANIFESTS FROM US IT IS A DEEP DOCTRINAL BELIEF SYSTEM THAT HAS CONDITIONED US TO RESPOND TO THE “AGENT OF FORGIVENESS” THE HOLY SPIRIT AND PREVENT HIM FROM DOING HIS WILL IN US. 
This is NOT JUST another “SIN”ADDED TO A LIST AND MADE SEPARATE, this is the REASON THAT ANY OF THE SIN’S LISTED ABOVE “COULD NOT BE FORGIVEN” ALL SIN CAN BE FORGIVEN- UNTIL YOU REJECT THE AGENT OF THAT FORGIVENESS.
The Holy Spirit is GOD’S AGENT who metes out his forgiveness, he wipes the slate clean with the “BLOOD OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT’ AND IMPUTES TO YOU “GOD’S OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS” IN THE PLACE OF THE TRANSGRESSION!
So it would follow that in order for him to do his job; you would have to recognize him for who he really is ( The agent holding forgiveness)
and NOT LAY A FALSE CLAIM AGAINST HIM
(BELIEVING HIM TO BE SATAN)..RIGHT?

Let’s put it in another way

..say an insurance agent calls you on the phone or sends you an invite to buy “Fire insurance’.
BUT when he comes to your home one evening and knocks on your door,you won’t answer and get angry at him for coming, he continues to knock and you get irate and call the cops!
The authorities kick him off your property, because you tell them he was trying to harm you or break into your home…they arrest him and put him in jail even though he says he’s trying to sell you something to help you…
Do you think that same insurance salesmen could EVER COME BACK TO YOUR HOME AGAIN after you made it impossible for him to enter your home?
BUT….the plot thickens…
Without “Signing the paperwork your fire insurance will be null & void”

Who’s fault was it YOURS or HIS?


The Holy Spirit is the AGENT who has SALVATION TO OFFER YOU.
BUT WHEN YOU TELL HIM HE IS “NEVER WELCOME TO COME IN AND DO HIS WORK” BY CALLING HIS OFFER OF THE DEVIL OR OF SOME FORM OF FALSE WORK!

YOUR IN A PLACE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE, NOR CAN HE GIVE IT TO YOU THEREFORE YOU WILL DIE WITHOUT FORGIVENESS-
THIS IS YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE AND NOT THE FAULT OF GOD!