THE ESSENCE OF PROOF
Proof, is it abstract? Is it Impersonal? Does proof demand certain things are needed in order to believe that the object discussed really exists? At what point does the providing of proof require belief? Does real proof presented end the debate once and for all?
The answers are, NO! proof is not an abstract concept, it a precise; specific result with no way to misinterpret it's story, otherwise it's not proof. If it changes according to one's personal understanding of the theory in question then it proves nothing but that you have nothing backing up your belief.
Proof is never an impersonal observation of facts, it will always revive the innermost being of the reason, and intellect taking you on a journey of mind and spirit. The Proof that reveals the evidence of God does just that, it stirs up our faith and challenges our reasoning .
And yes true Proof does DEMAND certain criteria be present, it demands that what you believe centers on a reasonable idea or belief. Proof cannot exist for an imaginary theory of the mind. And if it is real Proof of said theory then the end of the said debate should be at hand BUT alas those who ask for the proof have a litany of excuses why our provided proof isn't acceptable to them.
"Atheists say the darnedest things"
"Religion's Real Child" Abuse by Richard Dawkins, This argument is the most insult driven of the bad reasoning from Dawkins mind. It is not only that but disproven through studies.
"Belief in God is part of human nature" - Oxford study
"10 People Who Give Atheism a Bad Name"
I would state that the real reason Biblical proof's are not accepted is not because they are circular reasoning but simply because skeptics have put a lot on the line concerning real proof of God.....they must accept that not only scripture is true but that their lives are not right with him.
It would make this verse "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16) mean more than all eternity to you!
What if it is true after all...
What if God does really love you? What if Jesus is for real after all? What if he could change your life if you allowed him into your heart? What if you're missing out on the best thing ever?
What does exist for theories that rest upon imagination instead of actual proof? Simple: no proof whatsoever!
They exist only on misinterpreted facts construed to look like proof. This form of false proof has nothing to hold it together except the imagined facts that those who believe a thing believe, it's really clued together from pieces of random facts.
Whenever a Christian debates an Atheist or otherwise Skeptical minded person, we will hear in some form or another "I need Objective Proof in order to believe in your god, objective evidence must be presented, Proof beyond all doubt or rebuttal!"
The problem in their responses is not that some facts are presented but that the facts are not proving anything except that they are set in stone and didn't really want to debate in the first place. I have personally witnessed the fact that certain people are not open to my views but then accuse me of the same thing they themselves practice, but I beg to differ I am open to real solid evidence which has NEVER been put forth.....NEVER!
THE CHURCHES (Christians) PRODUCE EVIL THROUGHOUT HISTORY!
God DID NOT create evil contrary to Isa. 45:7 which is not looked at in it's true context,
What does this really mean? well actually it's really simple if read in it's context God is the cause of bringing peace or great trouble to those he uses in his plans in the earth. Man must be driven to do what God wills unless they are willing, many Nations do not do his will so God brings them to trouble in order to move them into his will in the earth.
This verse and others like it are not teaching that God was the maker of Satan's changed nature into an Evil incarnation, this is completely against God's highly moral character. God has NO SHADOW OF TURNING in his moral framework, he cannot create evil in this form, Evil came into Satan's heart because of his pride both in his place and in his person under God. Think about what God was doing, creating Mankind UNDER GOD responsible for worshipping God with a renewed spirit in the image and likeness of his moral character. This was as a result of what Satan
HERE'S A GREAT STUDY ON MORAL CHARACTER
Now the question is not about their rebuttal arguments to our evidence, the real question is how do they define PROOF AND IS IT THE SAME AS WHAT WE KNOW AS PROOF? I think not for many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that they move the playing pieces whenever an argument surfaces that bends their reality a little thus making it impossible to Win IN THEIR MINDS! It's a form of cheating the death of their reasoning!
- God is eternal.
(Deuteronomy 33:27; Jeremiah 10:10; Psalm 90:2)
- God is infinite.
(1 Kings 8:22-27; Jeremiah 23:24; Psalm 102:25-27; Revelation 22:13)
- God is self-sufficient and self-existent.
(Exodus 3:13-14; Psalm 50:10-12; Colossians 1:16)
- God is omnipresent (present everywhere).
- God is omnipotent (all powerful).
(Genesis 18:14; Luke 18:27; Revelation 19:6)
- God is omniscient (all knowing).
(Psalm 139:2-6; Isaiah 40:13-14)
- God is unchanging or immutable.
(Psalm 102:25-27; Hebrews 1:10-12; 13:8)
- God is sovereign.
(2 Samuel 7:22; Isaiah 46:9-11)
- God is wise.
(Proverbs 3:19; Romans 16:26-27; 1 Timothy 1:17)
- God is holy.
(Leviticus 19:2; 1 Peter 1:15)
- God is righteous and just.
(Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 11:7; Psalm 119:137)
- God is faithful.
(Deuteronomy 7:9; Psalm 89:1-8)
- God is true and truth.
(Psalm 31:5; John 14:6; John 17:3; Titus 1:1-2)
- God is good.
(Psalm 25:8; Psalm 34:8; Mark 10:18)
- God is merciful.
(Deuteronomy 4:31; Psalm 103:8-17; Daniel 9:9; Hebrews 2:17)
- God is gracious.
(Exodus 34:6; Psalm 103:8; 1 Peter 5:10)
- God is love.
(John 3:16; Romans 5:8; 1 John 4:8)
- God is spirit.
- God is light, meaning that God's essence is like that of Light which is a transverse, electromagnetic wave that can be seen by humans and like all electromagnetic waves, light can travel through a vacuum. Darkness cannot hide light because Light
(James 1:17; 1 John 1:5)
THEREFORE THEY MUST STOP DOUBLE DEALING WITH MANY gods AND DEAL WITH GOD HIMSELF!
Atheists accuse us of having NO agreement about the Nature and Moral standard of our God but as with the other argument this is untrue. They mix up all gods and throw in the God of the bible in order to confuse the issue. The only way to understand God is to NOT mix him with non-existent gods!
Here is a great Lecture by Charles Finney on Moral Attributes
Atheists SAY we have the job of proving that God exists, well I think that has been done over and over again by smarter people than me but as usual during debates where the believer lays out the case better than the opponent, the double talk, the insults, the demeaning begins (usually what happens when you argument is loosing ground!) Even when it isn't, to resort to this form of personal attacking is simply a losers way of crying wolf and we all remember where crying wolf left the crier?
So the essence of Proof is not grounded upon these silly arguments that sometime just confuse where it began. The argument against the Church and it's LACK of living up to the Biblical demand is not lost on me. But it does not prove that God doesn't exist just that the church is stubborn and hardheaded proving that God's love is much bigger than any Atheist could conceive!
HOW DO WE BECOME MORE BIBLICAL?
HERE'S AN IDEA! KEEP AN OPEN MIND!
Maybe, just maybe the church should get with God's program and start BEING THE PROOF she was meant to be? Go to YouTube to get the series if your interested they will blow your doctrinal minds away. The church has believed herself into DISBELIEF of the very evidence that originally changed the world for Jesus!