There's a lot being made about a group of individuals among us called Amputees, a group that has suffered a lot just as ALL SICK PEOPLE SUFFER with their problems. The real issue here is NOT the question being asked by Atheists though, the under the surface issue is the fact Atheists are building a "Straw man" thesis on a subject they have no clue about in the first place, and that subject is how God deals with us on an individual basis.
What I mean is, everyone has internal mental issues which make our external and internal physical issues unique to us even though we are within a group of people who share the same physical problems. The point being that no two people are alike in how they process pain and suffering, so it is with unfeeling ranker that Atheists lump all into a class that God hates.
This is as I say later a ploy to marginalize God as a bully with great power to heal but he won't heal! The major fallacy in that line of reasoning is clearly a lack of understanding of scripture and it's clear teaching in regards to Faith and HOW it is to be used and lived by, without a proper view of the laws that faith operates under one will no doubt get a wrong conclusion of God's intent for one's life. The Atheist definition of Faith is a fallacy itself because if you define your enemies main understanding of God as a weak and indecisive possession then you own their arguments in the minds of other unbelievers and believers who don't know any better!
This is how Atheists see our stand BEFORE we open our mouths to speak, it is an unfair and false definition of our Faith but this is the nonsense we must overcome.
THIS HOWEVER IS THE REAL AND ONLY DEFINITION OF FAITH THAT DEFINES THE ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF THE CHRISTIAN WORLD VIEW!
Hebrews 11:1
"Now (Present Tense) faith is the substance of things hoped for (It substantiates promises of God which we hope for, as future in fulfillment, making them present realities to us.) , the evidence ("demonstration": convincing proof to the believer: the soul thereby seeing what the eye cannot see.) of things not seen".
BIBLICAL FAITH IS NOTHING LIKE THEIR VIEW, YET THEIR VIEW PERSISTS DESPITE WHAT THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS.
True biblical faith CONTAINS what Atheists SAY they need to believe {Evidence, Proof, Confidence of Conviction in the Spiritual, THE KEYS TO UNLOCK THESE THINGS IS WITHIN TRUE BELIEVING FAITH}, so that explains the reason why they try so hard to redefine Christian Faith with DISHONEST LIES AND MANIPULATIONS of meanings in the bible. Remember RELIGION is NOT representative of the Bible and should NOT be used to rule on defining biblical words.
WHY DO I SAY THAT? Simple, religion is merely MAN TRYING TO REACH GOD ON MAN'S TERMS while the Bible teaches that GOD HIMSELF CAME TO US ON HIS TERMS providing everything for man, including the ability to believe in him by God giving man HIS PERSONAL FAITH.
THE WEBSITE BELOW IS WHERE THIS IMPROPER UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN DISSEMINATED ALONG WITH A FEW OTHER ATHEIST SITES!
The area of God's sovereignty and how he accomplishes his will in the earth has no place in the hands of novice unbelievers, the subject is much wider and deeper than an Atheist "brain fart". The main point being that even if an Atheist SAW WITH HIS OWN EYES A MISSING LEG OR ARM REPLACED they would NOT believe it was an act of God but would instead turn to a natural reason it occurred, no matter how silly or unlikely it would be. This whole frenzy is nothing more than a diversion from the real point.
And What Is That Point?
"If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause" (John 15:24,25).
The above verse describes just how dark those who witness miracles are when confronted with the reality of God in the natural world when they do not intend change. When Jesus healed everyone who presented their faith to him, those who did not believe HATED HIM and by extension HIS FATHER . So the whole Atheist thesis here is useless banter meant only to deter those of weak faith. The Atheist has NO INTENTION of looking at the evidence with an open mind, they will always abuse the facts as presented because if you don't know the purpose for something you will abuse it. Atheists DO NOT understand the purposes of God so they in turn abuse his intents!
What they should be asking is:
WHY DO THOSE WHO COULD BE HEALED NOT BELIEVE AND RECEIVE ONCE THEY FIND OUT HOW TO RECEIVE IT?
HEALING DEPENDS UPON A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT DEPEND UPON OTHER ISSUES, IT'S NEVER AS CUT AND DRY AS A CUTE QUESTION DESIGNED TO IMPERSONATE LOGICAL THINKING.
WHY DO MEN DENY GOD'S OPEN WILL IN FAVOR OF CRAPPY ARGUMENTATION THAT ASSUMES KNOWLEDGE NOT REALLY KNOWN?
I HAVE YET TO MEET AN ATHEIST THAT ISN'T GUILTY OF FAULTY LOGIC OR MISAPPLIED SCIENCE FACTS. MOST DO NOT CARE THAT THEIR VERSION OF FACTS ISN'T QUITE FACT, THEY SIMPLY WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE ARGUMENT.
WHY DO ATHEISTS FIGHT AGAINST AN IMAGINARY GOD WITH THE VERY WORD (Bible) OF THAT IMAGINARY GOD? I DON'T FIGHT AGAINST MAGIC UNICORNS EVEN THOUGH I MAY THINK IT'S STUPID TO BELIEVE IN THEM! AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T USE A FAIRY TALES TO PROVE THEY DON'T EXIST
DOESN'T THAT SAY THAT THEY ARE AS CRAZY AS THEY SAY THOSE WHO WORSHIP THAT GOD ARE? IT SEEMS OVERLY PATHETIC TO ME! If they had the slightest inkling of proof or reason they would present it aside from the bible and end all discussion of said unbelief, BUT no such irrefutable evidence exists so they engage in smokescreens and straw- man building.
It would seem that Atheists are putting themselves in a circular argument using God's own word the bible against him, and while that would seem wise on the outside it is in fact revealing as to their true intent. Mixing contexts, misinterpreting passages and otherwise destroying scripture that would otherwise prove our point! Atheists do not intend to get real answers to any question asked, what they really want is to mock, ridicule and downplay the God of scripture rather than try and stand toe to toe because in doing that they lose hands down.
Atheists cannot defeat God by arguing with him directly because God laughs at such attempts as he did in the book of Job when Job's friends spoke untruth against his sovereign will. If you don't believe me, just allow an argument to go deeper than their willing to listen and watch the side show begin,......insults, mocking, demeaning and otherwise low class behavior will commence. This is NOT THE BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW TRUTH, IT IS THE BEHAVIOR OF THOSE WHO ARE AFRAID OF BEING WRONG AND THE CONSEQUENCES THAT FOLLOW!
BEHOLD GOD'S REBUTTAL TO MAN'S PRIDE:
Job 38:1- 39:30
" Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
Job 39:1-30
Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth? or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve?
Canst thou number the months that they fulfil? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?
They bow themselves, they bring forth their young ones, they cast out their sorrows.
Their young ones are in good liking, they grow up with corn; they go forth, and return not unto them.
Who hath sent out the wild ass free? or who hath loosed the bands of the wild ass?
Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren land his dwellings.
He scorneth the multitude of the city, neither regardeth he the crying of the driver.
The range of the mountains is his pasture, and he searcheth after every green thing. Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?
Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?
Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich? Which leaveth her eggs in the earth, and warmeth them in dust,
And forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them.
She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not hers: her labour is in vain without fear;
Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.
What time she lifteth up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.
Hast thou given the horse strength? hast thou clothed his neck with thunder?
Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper? the glory of his nostrils is terrible.
He paweth in the valley, and rejoiceth in his strength: he goeth on to meet the armed men.
He mocketh at fear, and is not affrighted; neither turneth he back from the sword.
The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield.
He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet.
He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.
Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings toward the south?
Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she."
WHAT DOES THIS ALL REVEAL?
Job 40:1-4
" Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth."
ANOTHER ARGUMENT
It can also be argued with much validity that all prayers prayed in faith on earth now will one day all be answered as requested. All will be healed of any and all illness and crippling, disabling things, that is just a basic follow in Logic from the doctrine of Heaven and it's eternal realm. No sin or consequence of sin will be allowed in Heaven or in the New Earth during Christ's 1000 year reign here. So all prayers are answered eventually there is nothing that says when prayers are answered just that they are.
Luke 6:20-23
“And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.”
Romans 8:28
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”
When the word of God says ALL it means all, and those things that cause the things we suffer on earth will one day be eradicated from our existence. BUT let me also say that I whole heartily believe that God CAN AND WILL HEAL ANY ISSUE WE HAVE NO MATTER HOW BAD IT IS. God has no limitations even though we as finite beings do, so it is of great stupidity and arrogance that man even begins to question God's will which is plainly revealed in his word.
2 Corinthians 4:4
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
Much of what Atheists blame on the true God of scripture is carried out by the enemies of God the fallen angels and demonic spirits who do their bidding throughout scripture. They conveniently leave them out of all attacks against God preferring rather to blame him totally for all evil they can dream up!
These are the questions or doubts they have!
Most Christians I have spoken with claim that God can do anything. They make claims that he brings people back from the dead or that he miraculously heals someone from a deadly form of cancer. But curiously, we don't ever see a person who loses a limb have it regrown through a miracle from God. Why would God heal people of incurable cancer, but never have an amputated limb regrow?
Who is this person fooling with this profound ignorance of God, really? this rates interest?
The idea here is to blame God of UNFAIRNESS in dealing with his creation, but why is it that these same sentiments are never used to implore as to why "Natural Selection" is so unfair and cruel? And it doesn't matter if you think nature is not meant to fair or kind but simply the nature of things as they are. The point is the blame game can work both ways so it is important we understand WHO to blame rather than playing the "Shotgun blame game" with our eternal destinies.
HERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION:
An answer to the above question on "Let's Talk Bible: Christian Forum"
I’ll answer this question. I’ve answered you four other times in other threads and you haven’t responded. But that’s OK. You don’t have to.
I’ve talked to people like you for decades. Before I answer the question, let me say this. From reading all of your posts (and I’ve read most of them), you do not give the appearance of one who is honestly searching for the truth. You give the appearance of one who is desperately trying to prove that God does not exist and if you can ask us enough questions that we cannot answer or will not give you the answer you want, then ergo, you must be right – God doesn’t exist. Do you believe that to be a fair and intellectual type of reasoning?
Why doesn’t God heal amputees? Some of this comes from me, some from others. All of the following is not originally mine.
1. – Why do you assume that God is required to heal everyone of everything that ails them. He is not. This world is cursed because of man and God provides an escape from the curse. We are all going to die. And part of dying includes suffering. Mercifully- He doesn’t leave us in this sinful state and state of despair. We can be redeemed. But our physical bodies many times bear the brunt of the curse of this world. I have epilepsy. I take more medication for that than the average person could take and still be conscious. I cannot endure high altitudes or excessive heat or bright lights or loud noises without being susceptible to a seizure. The medications – for which I am grateful – will more than likely kill me someday. The liver damage from the meds is a constant dread. But I have never once asked God “why won’t you take this away from me”. I’ve never said, “Well, God must not exist because if He is so good and wonderful, than my life would be all rainbows and unicorns.” It’s never dawned on me that God is required to heal me to prove (a) His existence or (b) His love, grace, and/or mercy to me. What is a constant source of joy to me is that He loves me and that His Son died for me.
2. – Why do you assume that amputees and people with other physical misfortunes are not whole in who they are as a person? What an insult to people who aren’t physically perfect. Physically limited people can be just as whole in their spirit and lifestyle as anyone else. I taught a student once who was born without a right arm. He was the best ball player on his team. He could do with one arm what the rest of his team couldn’t do with two. Stephen Hawking – confined to a wheelchair and a shell of a body has such profound mind. Joni Ericson Tada paints the most beautiful paintings with her mouth and a paint brush. She is a quadriplegic.
3. – Why do you assume that God’s nature has to meet with your approval or my approval. God didn’t present His plan for the redemption of mankind TO mankind for us to approve. He doesn’t call us and ask us what time would we like the sun to come up and if we can pencil in some time to endure a hail storm. Do we understand all of God’s nature? Of course not. We “see” with such limited vision.Your version of God is so limited, Tirapu. You want Him to govern the universe according to your rules. To be fair, some Christians do the same thing.
Why won’t God heal amputees? How do you know He hasn’t? Why does He have to in order to meet your approval? Why do you believe that physically limited persons are not as happy or not as productive as the rest?
Bravo, fine Christian lady, Bravo!
It all boils down to "empirical evidence" and if they can't hold you hostage to that idea then you will always win. Some things just no obvious evidence to see, until biblical faith and reception of that faith is released NO empirical evidence will manifest. So Atheists find themselves riding the fence of science
NOW THE REAL QUESTION: DOES GOD REALLY HEAL IN CREATIVE MIRACLES???
Isa 53:1-12
(God's Word Translation)
"Who has believed our message? To whom has the LORD'S power been revealed?
Isa 53:2
He grew up in his presence like a young tree, like a root out of dry ground. He had no form or majesty that would make us look at him. He had nothing in his appearance that would make us desire him.
Isa 53:3
He was despised and rejected by people. He was a man of sorrows, familiar with suffering. He was despised like one from whom people turn their faces, and we didn't consider him to be worth anything.
Isa 53:4
He certainly has taken upon himself our suffering and carried our sorrows, but we thought that God had wounded him, beat him, and punished him.
Isa 53:5
He was wounded for our rebellious acts. He was crushed for our sins. He was punished so that we could have peace, and we received healing from his wounds.
Isa 53:6
We have all strayed like sheep. Each one of us has turned to go his own way, and the LORD has laid all our sins on him.
Isa 53:7
He was abused and punished, but he didn't open his mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. He was like a sheep that is silent when its wool is cut off. He didn't open his mouth.
Isa 53:8
He was arrested, taken away, and judged. Who would have thought that he would be removed from the world? He was killed because of my people's rebellion.
Isa 53:9
He was placed in a tomb with the wicked. He was put there with the rich when he died, although he had done nothing violent and had never spoken a lie.
Isa 53:10
Yet, it was the LORD'S will to crush him with suffering. When the LORD has made his life a sacrifice for our wrongdoings, he will see his descendants for many days. The will of the LORD will succeed through him.
Isa 53:11
He will see and be satisfied because of his suffering. My righteous servant will acquit many people because of what he has learned through suffering. He will carry their sins as a burden.
Isa 53:12
So I will give him a share among the mighty, and he will divide the prize with the strong, because he poured out his life in death and he was counted with sinners. He carried the sins of many. He intercedes for those who are rebellious."
Jesus paid a high price to purchase our bodily and spiritual healing so the answer to the question is YES a million times over YES!
CREATIVE MIRACLES DO HAPPEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN......CASE CLOSED, ARGUMENT DEFEATED!!!!
"If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause" (John 15:24,25).
The above verse describes just how dark those who witness miracles are when confronted with the reality of God in the natural world when they do not intend change. When Jesus healed everyone who presented their faith to him, those who did not believe HATED HIM and by extension HIS FATHER . So the whole Atheist thesis here is useless banter meant only to deter those of weak faith. The Atheist has NO INTENTION of looking at the evidence with an open mind, they will always abuse the facts as presented because if you don't know the purpose for something you will abuse it. Atheists DO NOT understand the purposes of God so they in turn abuse his intents!
What they should be asking is:
WHY DO THOSE WHO COULD BE HEALED NOT BELIEVE AND RECEIVE ONCE THEY FIND OUT HOW TO RECEIVE IT?
HEALING DEPENDS UPON A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT DEPEND UPON OTHER ISSUES, IT'S NEVER AS CUT AND DRY AS A CUTE QUESTION DESIGNED TO IMPERSONATE LOGICAL THINKING.
WHY DO MEN DENY GOD'S OPEN WILL IN FAVOR OF CRAPPY ARGUMENTATION THAT ASSUMES KNOWLEDGE NOT REALLY KNOWN?
I HAVE YET TO MEET AN ATHEIST THAT ISN'T GUILTY OF FAULTY LOGIC OR MISAPPLIED SCIENCE FACTS. MOST DO NOT CARE THAT THEIR VERSION OF FACTS ISN'T QUITE FACT, THEY SIMPLY WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE ARGUMENT.
WHY DO ATHEISTS FIGHT AGAINST AN IMAGINARY GOD WITH THE VERY WORD (Bible) OF THAT IMAGINARY GOD? I DON'T FIGHT AGAINST MAGIC UNICORNS EVEN THOUGH I MAY THINK IT'S STUPID TO BELIEVE IN THEM! AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T USE A FAIRY TALES TO PROVE THEY DON'T EXIST
DOESN'T THAT SAY THAT THEY ARE AS CRAZY AS THEY SAY THOSE WHO WORSHIP THAT GOD ARE? IT SEEMS OVERLY PATHETIC TO ME! If they had the slightest inkling of proof or reason they would present it aside from the bible and end all discussion of said unbelief, BUT no such irrefutable evidence exists so they engage in smokescreens and straw- man building.
It would seem that Atheists are putting themselves in a circular argument using God's own word the bible against him, and while that would seem wise on the outside it is in fact revealing as to their true intent. Mixing contexts, misinterpreting passages and otherwise destroying scripture that would otherwise prove our point! Atheists do not intend to get real answers to any question asked, what they really want is to mock, ridicule and downplay the God of scripture rather than try and stand toe to toe because in doing that they lose hands down.
Atheists cannot defeat God by arguing with him directly because God laughs at such attempts as he did in the book of Job when Job's friends spoke untruth against his sovereign will. If you don't believe me, just allow an argument to go deeper than their willing to listen and watch the side show begin,......insults, mocking, demeaning and otherwise low class behavior will commence. This is NOT THE BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW TRUTH, IT IS THE BEHAVIOR OF THOSE WHO ARE AFRAID OF BEING WRONG AND THE CONSEQUENCES THAT FOLLOW!
BEHOLD GOD'S REBUTTAL TO MAN'S PRIDE:
" Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth? or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve?
Canst thou number the months that they fulfil? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?
They bow themselves, they bring forth their young ones, they cast out their sorrows.
Their young ones are in good liking, they grow up with corn; they go forth, and return not unto them.
Who hath sent out the wild ass free? or who hath loosed the bands of the wild ass?
Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren land his dwellings.
He scorneth the multitude of the city, neither regardeth he the crying of the driver.
The range of the mountains is his pasture, and he searcheth after every green thing. Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?
Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?
Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich? Which leaveth her eggs in the earth, and warmeth them in dust,
And forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them.
She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not hers: her labour is in vain without fear;
Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.
What time she lifteth up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.
Hast thou given the horse strength? hast thou clothed his neck with thunder?
Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper? the glory of his nostrils is terrible.
He paweth in the valley, and rejoiceth in his strength: he goeth on to meet the armed men.
He mocketh at fear, and is not affrighted; neither turneth he back from the sword.
The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield.
He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet.
He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.
Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings toward the south?
Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she."
WHAT DOES THIS ALL REVEAL?
" Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth."
ANOTHER ARGUMENT
It can also be argued with much validity that all prayers prayed in faith on earth now will one day all be answered as requested. All will be healed of any and all illness and crippling, disabling things, that is just a basic follow in Logic from the doctrine of Heaven and it's eternal realm. No sin or consequence of sin will be allowed in Heaven or in the New Earth during Christ's 1000 year reign here. So all prayers are answered eventually there is nothing that says when prayers are answered just that they are.
Luke 6:20-23
“And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.”
Romans 8:28
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”
When the word of God says ALL it means all, and those things that cause the things we suffer on earth will one day be eradicated from our existence. BUT let me also say that I whole heartily believe that God CAN AND WILL HEAL ANY ISSUE WE HAVE NO MATTER HOW BAD IT IS. God has no limitations even though we as finite beings do, so it is of great stupidity and arrogance that man even begins to question God's will which is plainly revealed in his word.
2 Corinthians 4:4
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
Much of what Atheists blame on the true God of scripture is carried out by the enemies of God the fallen angels and demonic spirits who do their bidding throughout scripture. They conveniently leave them out of all attacks against God preferring rather to blame him totally for all evil they can dream up!
These are the questions or doubts they have!
Most Christians I have spoken with claim that God can do anything. They make claims that he brings people back from the dead or that he miraculously heals someone from a deadly form of cancer. But curiously, we don't ever see a person who loses a limb have it regrown through a miracle from God. Why would God heal people of incurable cancer, but never have an amputated limb regrow?
Who is this person fooling with this profound ignorance of God, really? this rates interest?
The idea here is to blame God of UNFAIRNESS in dealing with his creation, but why is it that these same sentiments are never used to implore as to why "Natural Selection" is so unfair and cruel? And it doesn't matter if you think nature is not meant to fair or kind but simply the nature of things as they are. The point is the blame game can work both ways so it is important we understand WHO to blame rather than playing the "Shotgun blame game" with our eternal destinies.
HERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION:
An answer to the above question on "Let's Talk Bible: Christian Forum"
I’ll answer this question. I’ve answered you four other times in other threads and you haven’t responded. But that’s OK. You don’t have to.
I’ve talked to people like you for decades. Before I answer the question, let me say this. From reading all of your posts (and I’ve read most of them), you do not give the appearance of one who is honestly searching for the truth. You give the appearance of one who is desperately trying to prove that God does not exist and if you can ask us enough questions that we cannot answer or will not give you the answer you want, then ergo, you must be right – God doesn’t exist. Do you believe that to be a fair and intellectual type of reasoning?
Why doesn’t God heal amputees? Some of this comes from me, some from others. All of the following is not originally mine.
1. – Why do you assume that God is required to heal everyone of everything that ails them. He is not. This world is cursed because of man and God provides an escape from the curse. We are all going to die. And part of dying includes suffering. Mercifully- He doesn’t leave us in this sinful state and state of despair. We can be redeemed. But our physical bodies many times bear the brunt of the curse of this world. I have epilepsy. I take more medication for that than the average person could take and still be conscious. I cannot endure high altitudes or excessive heat or bright lights or loud noises without being susceptible to a seizure. The medications – for which I am grateful – will more than likely kill me someday. The liver damage from the meds is a constant dread. But I have never once asked God “why won’t you take this away from me”. I’ve never said, “Well, God must not exist because if He is so good and wonderful, than my life would be all rainbows and unicorns.” It’s never dawned on me that God is required to heal me to prove (a) His existence or (b) His love, grace, and/or mercy to me. What is a constant source of joy to me is that He loves me and that His Son died for me.
2. – Why do you assume that amputees and people with other physical misfortunes are not whole in who they are as a person? What an insult to people who aren’t physically perfect. Physically limited people can be just as whole in their spirit and lifestyle as anyone else. I taught a student once who was born without a right arm. He was the best ball player on his team. He could do with one arm what the rest of his team couldn’t do with two. Stephen Hawking – confined to a wheelchair and a shell of a body has such profound mind. Joni Ericson Tada paints the most beautiful paintings with her mouth and a paint brush. She is a quadriplegic.
3. – Why do you assume that God’s nature has to meet with your approval or my approval. God didn’t present His plan for the redemption of mankind TO mankind for us to approve. He doesn’t call us and ask us what time would we like the sun to come up and if we can pencil in some time to endure a hail storm. Do we understand all of God’s nature? Of course not. We “see” with such limited vision.Your version of God is so limited, Tirapu. You want Him to govern the universe according to your rules. To be fair, some Christians do the same thing.
Why won’t God heal amputees? How do you know He hasn’t? Why does He have to in order to meet your approval? Why do you believe that physically limited persons are not as happy or not as productive as the rest?
Bravo, fine Christian lady, Bravo!
It all boils down to "empirical evidence" and if they can't hold you hostage to that idea then you will always win. Some things just no obvious evidence to see, until biblical faith and reception of that faith is released NO empirical evidence will manifest. So Atheists find themselves riding the fence of science
NOW THE REAL QUESTION: DOES GOD REALLY HEAL IN CREATIVE MIRACLES???
(God's Word Translation)
"Who has believed our message? To whom has the LORD'S power been revealed?
Isa 53:2
He grew up in his presence like a young tree, like a root out of dry ground. He had no form or majesty that would make us look at him. He had nothing in his appearance that would make us desire him.
Isa 53:3
He was despised and rejected by people. He was a man of sorrows, familiar with suffering. He was despised like one from whom people turn their faces, and we didn't consider him to be worth anything.
Isa 53:4
He certainly has taken upon himself our suffering and carried our sorrows, but we thought that God had wounded him, beat him, and punished him.
Isa 53:5
He was wounded for our rebellious acts. He was crushed for our sins. He was punished so that we could have peace, and we received healing from his wounds.
Isa 53:6
We have all strayed like sheep. Each one of us has turned to go his own way, and the LORD has laid all our sins on him.
Isa 53:7
He was abused and punished, but he didn't open his mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. He was like a sheep that is silent when its wool is cut off. He didn't open his mouth.
Isa 53:8
He was arrested, taken away, and judged. Who would have thought that he would be removed from the world? He was killed because of my people's rebellion.
Isa 53:9
He was placed in a tomb with the wicked. He was put there with the rich when he died, although he had done nothing violent and had never spoken a lie.
Isa 53:10
Yet, it was the LORD'S will to crush him with suffering. When the LORD has made his life a sacrifice for our wrongdoings, he will see his descendants for many days. The will of the LORD will succeed through him.
Isa 53:11
He will see and be satisfied because of his suffering. My righteous servant will acquit many people because of what he has learned through suffering. He will carry their sins as a burden.
Isa 53:12
So I will give him a share among the mighty, and he will divide the prize with the strong, because he poured out his life in death and he was counted with sinners. He carried the sins of many. He intercedes for those who are rebellious."
CREATIVE MIRACLES DO HAPPEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN......CASE CLOSED, ARGUMENT DEFEATED!!!!
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